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07 Nov 2012 8:16AM
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I'm tired of all the slamming againest the South. All who fly the Rebel flag are not racist. Confederates believed in freedom. Real freedom. If they had won this Nation would have been better off.. I'm not racist. But everyone should look up some history and fucking learn!

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07 Nov 2012 9:59AM

Real freedom. Right. The freedom to own slaves.

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07 Nov 2012 10:28AM

It seems, on a quick read, that the capacity of an individual state to NULLIFY a federal law, if it so chose, was the core issue.

Also, the U.S. Constitution itself was enacted at a Constitutional Convention that excluded Patrick (Give Me liberty or Death!) Henry and Thomas Jefferson.....both strong proponents of States Rights...or a weaker Federal Government.

Enmith between the North and South grew as the North did not need slaves, and the Cotton Economy of the South demanded slaves.

The Election of Lincoln (perceived as Anti-Slavery) and the invocation of the US Constitution's Commerce Clause settle disputes with a north/south divide were galling and the final straw.

The South was caught between a Rock and a Hard Place, The North Demanded and paid for Cotton, and the means of productionof Cotton required SLAVES.

Somehow, though, after the War, Cotton got produced in the South. The Cultural Upheaval required to divest the Slave Economy, which was a cultural principle in the South, was something Southern Plantation Owners could not face without Coercion.

It is fair to ask, in a purely legal perspective, whether they should have to free their slaves.

The cultural changes in the North were evolving to and expectation that Slavery must go.

In this brew, Revolution was born.

The Union came to a divide, and diplomacy and the bonds of brotherhood across regional differences utterly failed.

Are we heading back that way ?

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07 Nov 2012 10:34AM

I'm not sure that "heading back that way" is the appropriate way to conceptualize the current state of affairs. I'm not sure that it's ever been different.

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07 Nov 2012 5:02PM

The cause of the War Between The States was money. It wasn't for moral or ideological reasons. It was pure economics.South Carolina's largest cash industry in the 1800's was not cotton. It was rice. The Nullification crisis of 1832 was about money (tariffs). (read some on your own, I'm not going to chew your food for you.)That led directly to December of 1860 more than anything else. Rice used much more labor than cotton and the cheapest labor available was slaves. In the rest of the south cotton was very important. Anything that threatened the labor costs associated with the largest cash businesses was going to be resisted. Not from a moral stance of keeping the black man down and in servitude but from a purely cost basis. Remember only about 15% of white southerners were slave owners but 100% of them depended directly or indirectly on a slave-based economy.

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08 Nov 2012 4:37PM

Most correct answer so far. Good job, whoever you are!

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07 Nov 2012 5:04PM

Rice produced by slaves. And even Barnwell Rhett made it clear the the root cause of nullification was slavery. Nice try, but not good enough. No slavery, no Civil War.

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08 Nov 2012 1:32AM

Southerners are so patriotic they want their own country. GO MERICA!!!

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08 Nov 2012 10:19AM

And many of us are coming to the opinion that they should have their own country. The 1787 experiment has failed. We're not one nation, under god or otherwise. It's time that we recognize that fact and move on.

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08 Nov 2012 5:00PM

Following is a brief summary of the most important US political events, c. 1820-1860. If these aren't the events that led to the Civil War, please state which events were. And please provide some detail, not merely "economics, blah, blah, blah, economics".

American Colonization Society founded, 1817
Missouri crisis, 1820�21
abolitionism emerges, late 1820s�early 1830s
Garrison founds the �Liberator�, 1831
murder of Elijah Lovejoy, 1832
Nullification controversy, 1832�33
antislavery petition campaign and Gag Rule, 1830s�1840s
southern postmasters impound abolitionist literature, 1835�36
Liberty Party established, 1840
Protestant denominations split over slavery, 1840s
Texas annexation, 1845
Mexican War, 1846�48
slavery extension in territories conflict, 1846�56
Wilmot Proviso, 1846
Free-soil Party emerges, 1848
Address of the Southern Delegates (Calhoun), 1849
Compromise of 1850
Nashville Convention, 1850
Whig Party breaks up as Scott fails to carry any southern states, 1852�54
Kansas-Nebraska Act, 1854
Republican party emerges, 1854�56
�Bleeding Kansas�, 1855�56
American Party (Know Nothings) breaks up over slavery, February 1856
caning of Charles Sumner, 1856; Preston Brooks hailed as hero across the South
Dred Scott decision, 1857
Lincoln-Douglas debates, 1858
John Brown�s Harpers Valley raid, October 1859
John Brown executed, December 1859; church bells toll across the North
Democratic Party breaks up as southern delegations walk out of the Charleston convention, May 1860
Lincoln elected p********, November 1860
South Carolina secedes, December 20, 1860

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10 Nov 2012 6:07PM

No one willing to take up the challenge?

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14 Nov 2012 10:56AM

Too bad. The question is interesting in itself and a very good one for meta-analysis of historical analysis. Some very sharp minds have taken it on, including the Beards on the economic side. But apparently our OP isn't up to it.

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14 Nov 2012 6:49PM

Indeed learn your real history. If you really believe you are american that's just pathetic, and sad. So easy to follow instead of living your life. Respect your culture and stop following the american demons

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