�We had a moment of silence in honor of the people who lost their lives at that sheik temple. I noted that it was a tragedy for many, many reasons. Among them are the fact that people, the sheik people, are among the most peaceable and loving individuals you can imagine, as is their faith."
--- Mitt Romney, presumptive global expert
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08 Aug 2012 10:19AM
The "sheiks", right. I presume that even Mitt Romney knows that it's Sikhs (even though he is apparently unaware of the Amritsar massacre of 1984).
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18 Aug 2012 11:00PM
I went and did some research on it he was talking referring to the Sikhs and according to his spokesman had just mispronounced similar sounding words. 1 I haven�t been able to find out if he knew about the Amritsar massacre of 1984 or not.
1 http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/romney-confuses-sikh-with-sheik/2012/08/07/10beaba6-e0fc-11e1-a19c-fcfa365396c8_story.html
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19 Aug 2012 3:23PM
Why is the Amritsar massacre of 1984 even relevant to what occurred here in the United States or even the election for that matter? The incident that occurred here had nothing to do with our government or extremist activity by the Sikhs.
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08 Aug 2012 12:13PM
Romney is sounding more like Gerald Ford every day.
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08 Aug 2012 3:35PM
Did ya hear of the idiot red necks who burned a mosque to the ground?
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08 Aug 2012 5:14PM
well i totally fucked that up. but you get the point
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08 Aug 2012 5:59PM
Personally I won't be voting for neither of the lying politicos. As a black man, yes it was great to see Obama win, but I knew back then that he's just another professional politician who is not about making real changes for the 99%. He's been just responsible for killing innocent people in other countries as Bush has. And we know that idiot Romney will be worse. He doesn't give a flying fuck for the working class, and certainly not the poor. Fuck the both.
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08 Aug 2012 8:24PM
You're all such fuckin' geniuses. Wow.........
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16 Aug 2012 3:33PM
And now that Romney Junior is on the ticket we get 2 for the price of 1!
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17 Aug 2012 2:13PM
Beyond belief - Ryan named Rage Against The Machine as one of his favourite bands! What an absolute cock. Plus he got a good slap from the band here: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-morello-paul-ryan-is-the-embodiment-of-the-machine-our-music-rages-against-20120816
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17 Aug 2012 3:14PM
Ok if you�re going to debate at least use good sources and references not opinion pieces with little bases in actual fact it and only makes you look stupid
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17 Aug 2012 5:13PM
So Tom Morrelo a member of that band, the very guy who shows up to OWS himself to play music, saying himself that Ryan is not his target audience is not good enough for you? What a Dumbass...
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Here's the entire article:
By Tom Morello
August 16, 2012 6:44 PM ET
Last week, Mitt Romney picked Paul Ryan, the Republican architect of Congress's radical right-wing budget plan, as his running mate. Ryan has previously cited Rage Against the Machine as one of his favorite bands. Rage guitarist Tom Morello responds in this exclusive op-ed.
Paul Ryan's love of Rage Against the Machine is amusing, because he is the embodiment of the machine that our music has been raging against for two decades. Charles Manson loved the Beatles but didn't understand them. Governor Chris Christie loves Bruce Springsteen but doesn't understand him. And Paul Ryan is clueless about his favorite band, Rage Against the Machine.
Ryan claims that he likes Rage's sound, but not the lyrics. Well, I don't care for Paul Ryan's sound or his lyrics. He can like whatever bands he wants, but his guiding vision of shifting revenue more radically to the one percent is antithetical to the message of Rage.
I wonder what Ryan's favorite Rage song is? Is it the one where we condemn the genocide of Native Americans? The one lambasting American imperialism? Our cover of "Fuck the Police"? Or is it the one where we call on the people to seize the means of production? So many excellent choices to jam out to at ***** Republican meetings!
Don't mistake me, I clearly see that Ryan has a whole lotta "rage" in him: A rage against women, a rage against immigrants, a rage against workers, a rage against gays, a rage against the poor, a rage against the environment. Basically the only thing he's not raging against is the privileged elite he's groveling in front of for campaign contributions.
You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of ******** in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser." Some of these guys on the extreme right are more cynical than Paul Ryan, but he seems to really believe in this stuff. This unbridled rage against those who have the least is a cornerstone of the Romney-Ryan ticket.
But Rage's music affects people in different ways. Some tune out what the band stands for and concentrate on the moshing and throwing elbows in the pit. For others, Rage has changed their minds and their lives. Many activists around the world, including organizers of the global occupy movement, were radicalized by Rage Against the Machine and work tirelessly for a more humane and just planet. Perhaps Paul Ryan was moshing when he should have been listening.
My hope is that maybe Paul Ryan is a mole. Maybe Rage did plant some sensible ideas in this extreme fringe right wing nut job. Maybe if elected, he'll pardon Leonard Peltier. Maybe he'll throw U.S. military support behind the Zapatistas. Maybe he'll fill Guantanamo Bay with the corporate criminals that are funding his campaign � and then torture them with Rage music 24/7. That's one possibility. But I'm not betting on it.
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18 Aug 2012 10:40AM
What�s funny is you actually didn�t read what the other posted said
�Ok if you�re going to debate at least use good sources and references not opinion pieces with little bases in actual fact it and only makes you look stupid�
What you posted was an opinion piece in that its Tom Morello�s opinion filled with speculation and opinion about what other people think with no sources or references to support his claim. Member of the band or not it doesn�t mean his opinion is any more important or relevant then anyone else�s. I�m sure the band�s music appeals to many people regardless of their political views but Tom Morello doesn�t really know what anyone thinks other than himself. Unfortunately he seems to believe that he knows what other people think and presents himself as an authority without sources or references for his claims making it an opinion piece.
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18 Aug 2012 9:07PM
His band/his opinion VS Ryan's view. That is the debate.
Get it through your head. BECAUSE it's his band, he is basicaly giving the band's perspective on this. So, he IS the source.
Dumbass...
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18 Aug 2012 9:56PM
WOW it doesn�t take much to get you to start throwing insults
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18 Aug 2012 10:40PM
I agree he would be a good source about the inspiration and the intended message behind the songs his group performs but to believe that he is a good source about what other people are thinking and what their intentions are is imperceptive at best. More than half of the opinion piece referenced was Tom Morello telling the readers what other people understood, thought, and intended as if he were psychic and knew these things as fact. While this type of article plays well to the unthinking masses it does little to put forward any real concrete information and seems to be specifically designed to paint the obvious target in a negative light by the writer. While I support people giving their personal opinions I think it�s disingenuous to represent oneself as an authority of what other people understood, thought, and intended.
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18 Aug 2012 11:12PM
Yes sadly that defines every liberal that posts on these threads
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19 Aug 2012 12:36AM
Obviously he only speaks for like-minded indiviuals. Not everyone.
But then again, not many people can see that.
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19 Aug 2012 12:56AM
Do you really consider Tom Morello and Ryan likeminded� because it seemed obvious in the article that Tom Morello didn�t.
Maybe I�m just one of those people who can�t see that.
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19 Aug 2012 3:32AM
You're being an idiot. OBVIOUSLY Ryan isn't one of those like-minded individuals.
But then again, you probly don't even understand what I just stated.
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19 Aug 2012 8:01AM
It�s obvious he understood the article better then you and reading over everything you wrote it in response it�s obvious he understood you correctly.
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19 Aug 2012 3:19PM
He points out an error in your statement and you start throwing the insults. You�re not helping, you should have just admitted you were wrong and just moved on if your pride won�t let you do that you should probably just stick to looking at the porn.
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19 Aug 2012 12:10PM
This is really not that complicated. Morello is clearly anti-big business/government (the "machine") and liberal and he rants a bit but we'd all do the same given the chance. This is the issue:
Given:
1) your first premise that Morello understand the band's message and inspiration
2) Morello's statement that Ryan is the embodiment of everything they rage against
It follows easily to see the absurdity of Ryan claiming RATM as his favorite band. Given that something you call your "favorite" is something you identify with, why would you identify with a band who is against everything you represent? It's nothing more than a douchebag attempt to try and steal some young votes by appearing hip and Morello was correct to call him out on it.
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19 Aug 2012 12:45PM
Maybe on a certain level, since Ryan is against big government, he does relate to their music. I find it funny and pathetic at the same time you libs find anything possible to whine about.
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19 Aug 2012 1:36PM
Now you are playing psychic. Ryan has not stated his reasons and I'm guessing his campaign team is going to be giving this a wide berth since he's been called out in the media. It's probably a no win situation and not worth the effort to fix it even if it wasn't.
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19 Aug 2012 2:09PM
Chocolate cake with butter cream frosting is my favorite but I don�t identify with it. So I guess you can like something more than anything else and still call it a favorite.
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20 Aug 2012 12:39PM
That may be, but a piece of food and the music and lyrics of sentient beings are not really equivalent are they?
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19 Aug 2012 2:36PM
Didn�t you read the article written by Tom Morello where he claims that Ryan likes Rage's sound, but not the lyrics.
I have to wonder about a guy that makes his living playing a guitar that doesn�t think someone can like the sound of music without liking the lyrics. I don�t believe that he�s being totally forthcoming and that he�s attempting to use his position as a member of the band to try to paint someone in a bad light by putting forward unsupported statements that he feels will garner the most opposition to Ryan.
I do take some offence from your statement about stealing votes from the young as I happen to be young myself. To me votes only belong to the person voting and not to any particular party or ideology and are freely given to the candidate that most closely represents the goals of the individual voting. You should give those younger than yourself more credit and stop believing that they can easily be swayed to give away their votes by appearing �hip�.
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20 Aug 2012 12:47PM
I don't think you can't separate the band into disparate pieces of sound and lyrics. They are cohesive. It takes both to create the music. It's particularly preposterous to claim a highly politicized band as your favorite and say you only like their sound. There are numerous other bands in this sub-genre he could have chosen with similar sounds.
I did not mean to offend. I also never said young people were impressionable or even influenced by the appearance of "hip". I stated that my opinion of his choice of "favorite band" was an attempt to get votes from a particular demographic. This does not imply that this tactic is appropriate or successful.
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20 Aug 2012 1:45PM
People separate sound and lyrics all the time if you don�t believe me ask 10 people what their favorite song is and then ask then to sing it. Some will be able to sing the songs they like verbatim while others would be hard pressed to sing more than a couple words. I happen to be one of those that can�t remember the words because when I listen to the music I listen to the actual sound of the band and that�s what I concentrate on.
I would point out that in the article Tom Morello indicated that RATM was only �ONE� of Ryans favorite bands which means he has others we haven�t heard about (I have looked for the original source for Ryans favorites with little luck)
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17 Aug 2012 6:35PM
What an astonishingly cretinous thing to say.
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18 Aug 2012 6:48PM
To vote for the lesser of 2 evils ... And your still voting for evil
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23 Aug 2012 2:59PM
The whole political process in the US is a joke. Every pol is bought and paid for by trans-national interests.
